Shoplifting - foreigner

Hi.
I am afraid that some day it may come out, although I asked the police officer if this crime will appear somewhere and he said that only if I have to go to jail (brrr.. God forbid!) it will be in my records. Otherwise it will only appear in their records. And so I assume it will appear in my criminal records anyhow? or? I am asking this because when you get employed (back home) they ask for your criminal records as well... is it the case in Germany as well? I am a student now (thus unemployed) but who knows...
another question, any idea how can I ask to pay in installments (monthly rate)? whom should I talk to? I can pay 100/month or so.
Many thanks for your prompt response!

Regards,
Bi

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Hi,

1. Mostly people here are scared that a sentence goes down in their Führungszeugnis (firms often ask applicants for this). Your sentence do not go into the Führungszeugnis, as long as this is your only sentence. It is only registererd in a special register for police- and justice purposes.
2. I told you about that - you get a letter from the Staatsanwaltschaft. There they tell you to pay, but it also contains the application form for monthly rates. It would be useful to ask a german friend to help you with the form. Important: You have to transfer the first rate at the same time you send the application (to show your goodwill).

Greetings from mümmel

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I doubt the conditions for taking photos and fingerprints were fulfilled in this case. This can usually only be justified for worse crimes than shoplifting or if the shoplifter was caught more than once. I guess it would be a little bit complicated to convince the police yourself to delete them, but the state privacy commissioner would help you (without taking any money). Here is a list of them for all 16 states.

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Are you serious Daniel? Hm, now that is interesting. At first I though they just want to "teach me a lesson" and scare the hell out of me, but then I got fingerprinted and all the story.
I guess that was just their intent. And yes I am serious: The police in Hamburg wanted photos and fingerprints for unlawful entry in two cases. My appeal against that was successful, so they didn't get them. I was also successful in forcing the Frankfurt police to delete some data about me, they had marked me as a violent left-wing activist at the German federal criminal police office without any proofs. So I think, I have more personal experience with thinks like this than most other people here and I can tell the privacy commissioners and their staff were always very nice to me. I am not sure, how good their spoken English is and if it makes sense to phone them, but one of them told me, they even have quite a lot of contacts to African and other third world people due to the German laws concerning foreigners, whose English is ofter not better than their German so I don't think they should have any problems to understand you, when you write them a letter oder email.

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Can any one tell me how to pay fine when you live abroad ??? They haven’t even mentioned anything

They say that I have a shoplifting case against me and I can appeal with in 2 weeks or have to pay the fine for 30 days each day 70 euro and there is no way they told how to pay it also I don’t know what to do sitting abroad
Thank you for your reply

Zitat (von !!Streetworker!! ):

What kind of letter did you receive?
The 500 euros were a so-called "security deposit". This is taken by foreigners without residence in Germany, in the amount of the expected punishment. Usually it's done with it. But to be sure, I need to know what they wrote in that letter...

-- Editiert von !!Streetworker!! am 05.01.2018 08:22

O.K., then you recievied a "Strafbefehl". They want you to pay 2100,00 EUR (the income of 1 month = 30 days).
They estimate your income at 2100 € per month (70,00 € per day).

What is your Job at the moment an your real income per month?

If you are able to proof that your real income is significant less than 2100 EUR per month it ist possible to reduce the punishment by a so called "beschränktem Einspruch" (confined appeal) within 2 week (that "Einspruch" must arrive at the court within 2 weeks)

If you dont want to make an appeal you just have to wait. You will get another letter with instructions how to pay. Due to the police took 500,00 from you, you must only pay 1.600 EUR. Is there something in the letter about the 500 EUR? If not, wait to see if there is something in the next letter. The 500 EUR must be credited in any case. But notice: If you want to make an appeal to reduce the punishment you must take action now. In that case, you can not wait for the next letter

regards

Thank you so much , but how do I appeal from my country ? Can you guide me on this



quote=!!Streetworker!! ]O.K., then you recievied a "Strafbefehl". They want you to pay 2100,00 EUR (the income of 1 month = 30 days).
They estimate your income at 2100 € per month (70,00 € per day).

What is your Job at the moment an your real income per month?

If you are able to proof that your real income is significant less than 2100 EUR per month it ist possible to reduce the punishment by a so called "beschränktem Einspruch" (confined appeal) within 2 week (that "Einspruch" must arrive at the court within 2 weeks)

If you dont want to make an appeal you just have to wait. You will get another letter with instructions how to pay. Due to the police took 500,00 from you, you must only pay 1.600 EUR. Is there something in the letter about the 500 EUR? If not, wait to see if there is something in the next letter. The 500 EUR must be credited in any case. But notice: If you want to make an appeal to reduce the punishment you must take action now. In that case, you can not wait for the next letter

regards

My salary is 1252 euro . Also how can I get clearance once I pay the fine . If I pay from abroad .

Zitat (von !!Streetworker!! ):

Zitat:

but how do I appeal from my country ?

You can do that by letter or Telefax (I can help with that).

But it only makes sense if your income is well(!) below 2100 euros per month and you can proof that (with a salary statement or certificate from the company you work for)

Therefore again the question: What is your proofable income per month at the moment?

You have to send a salary statement from your job with the appeal if it should be successful. Without that there will be no chance.

-- Editiert von !!Streetworker!! am 06.01.2018 13:36

Thank you so much for all this help
If I send them my salary statement will they contact my company ?
Because i don’t want any trouble from them if an enquiry come there will be problem for me in my work place .

[lquote=!!Streetworker!! ]You must write a letter and send it within 2 weeks to the court (the letter must arrive at the court withn2 weeks from the date you receive your letter, so you send it better by Telefax)

The Letter:

Zitat:

Your Name
Your Adress



(Adress of the court)
Amtsgericht (city of the court)
-Strafabteilung-
Street, No
City
Telefax-Number: 0049..........


Betrifft: Beschränkter Einspruch gegen den Strafbefehl mit dem Aktenzeichen xx Cs xxxx Js xxxxx/xx (you must use your "Aktenzeichen" here)


Sehr geeehrte Damen und Herren,

gegen den oben genannten Strafbefehl lege ich hiermit

EINSPRUCH

ein. Den Einspruch beschränke ich auf die Höhe des einzelnen Tagessatzes [§ 411, Abs. 1, Satz 3 StPO ] und bitte um Entscheidung im Beschlusswege, da ich mich nicht in Deutschland aufhalte.

Mein Einkommen beträgt aktuell 1252,00 Euro monatlich. Eine Gehaltsabrechnung habe ich beigefügt. Ich bitte daher darum die Höhe des Tagessatzes auf 40,00 Euro abzusenken. Weiterhin bitte ich darum, bei der späteren Vollstreckung zu berücksichtigen, dass ich bereits bei der Polizei seinerzeit einen Betrag von 500,00 Euro als Sicherheitsleistung gezahlt habe.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Date, Your Signature

No, they won't. They only want to see how much money do you earn.